Another ponderable for Kalifornia:

Post by HollywoodÂ®Boy
a. kalifornia is burning in hell
b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
d. all of the above
there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the resent
elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first Kalifornia
ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag? there is another
Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes first, a barbeque or the fags?
let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand. last night, at
10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started burning.
there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with all local channels
being solid commercial free reporterette live video, but exhausting. when
the sun came up today, more fires South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in Palace
Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local stations for months
saying, Firestorm 2008.
at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police gave an
update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has stretched man power
because of a "gay protest of eight to ten thousand going all around downtown
L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't that special
timing them, though.
[Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were harmed in the
editing of this post. they are all friends of mine.]

Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here. Guess we
can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that might be all that
would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I could.

About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid protesters. We
have quite a bit of buzz here in the church circles concerning it.

Hollywood®Boy

2008-11-16 05:52:26 UTC

Marilyn wrote:
: "Hollywood®Boy" <"manny or borg"@spam.email.com> wrote in message
: news:c-***@earthlink.com...
: : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : d. all of the above
: :
: : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : passing, and prop 8 -
: : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes first, a
: : barbeque or the fags?
: :
: : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand. last
: : night, at
: : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : stations for months
: : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: :
: : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police gave
: : an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has stretched man
: : power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten thousand going all
: : around downtown
: : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't that
: : special timing them, though.
: :
: : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were harmed in
: : the editing of this post. they are all friends of mine.]
:
: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: could.
:
: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid protesters.
: We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church circles concerning it.

well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los angeles
basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires. winds are swirling
around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that had been going to the
ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the westside.

well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the lawyer
food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can not help but be
defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning radio
show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags. blacks and hispanic exit
polling showed that they supported yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't dare blend
in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not match, but
black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think she is
the voice of the ice berg tip.

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-16 17:43:43 UTC

Post by HollywoodÂ®Boy
: : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : d. all of the above
: : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : passing, and prop 8 -
: : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes first, a
: : barbeque or the fags?
: : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand. last
: : night, at
: : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : stations for months
: : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police gave
: : an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has stretched man
: : power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten thousand going all
: : around downtown
: : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't that
: : special timing them, though.
: : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were harmed in
: : the editing of this post. they are all friends of mine.]
: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: could.
: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid protesters.
: We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church circles concerning it.
well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los angeles
basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires. winds are swirling
around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that had been going to the
ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the westside.
well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the lawyer
food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can not help but be
defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning radio
show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags. blacks and hispanic exit
polling showed that they supported yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't dare blend
in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not match, but
black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think she is
the voice of the ice berg tip.

Actually, the fags have the law and the constitution on their side.
This law is based on morality and religion. Civil rights is most
definitely the issue here; this is about "civil unions" between
people. We are talking about legal contracts, which is what marriage
is when it comes to legal issues. When a marriage is terminated in
divorce, that is all it is. If this were not true then why wouldn't
people let their church handle the divorce process?

You really don't have to give this much thought to see that marriage
contracts and the legal issues involved with everything related to
marriage straddle precariously on the wall that the Founding Fathers
of the United States built to try to protect future generations from
the evils that the "Church" had inflicted upon them. A brief glance
at the early history of this country should make any rational person
think twice before they cede control to the government things that
are in the realm of individual conscience. We are talking morality
here brothers and sisters. Can I get an amen?

Stell

2008-11-16 19:33:22 UTC

Son of Serpent Esq wrote:
:: Hollywood®Boy wrote:
::: Marilyn wrote:
:::: "Hollywood®Boy" <"manny or borg"@spam.email.com> wrote in message
:::: news:c-***@earthlink.com...
::::: a. kalifornia is burning in hell
::::: b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
::::: c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
::::: d. all of the above
:::::
::::: there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
::::: resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
::::: passing, and prop 8 -
::::: marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
::::: Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
::::: there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes first,
::::: a barbeque or the fags?
:::::
::::: let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand. last
::::: night, at
::::: 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
::::: burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
::::: all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
::::: video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
::::: South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
::::: and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
::::: Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
::::: stations for months
::::: saying, Firestorm 2008.
:::::
::::: at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
::::: gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
::::: stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
::::: thousand going all around downtown
::::: L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't that
::::: special timing them, though.
:::::
::::: [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were harmed
::::: in the editing of this post. they are all friends of mine.]
::::
:::: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
:::: Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
:::: might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
:::: could.
::::
:::: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
:::: protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church circles
:::: concerning it.
:::
::: well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
::: angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires. winds
::: are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
::: had been going to the ocean for 24 hours is turned around and
::: stinking up things on the westside.
:::
::: well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
::: jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
::: lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
::: not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
::: into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
::: fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
::: yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the radio show, was
::: telling the fags to get over it, and don't dare blend in civil
::: rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not match, but
::: black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
::: she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
::
:: Actually, the fags have the law and the constitution on their side.
:: This law is based on morality and religion. Civil rights is most
:: definitely the issue here; this is about "civil unions" between
:: people. We are talking about legal contracts, which is what marriage
:: is when it comes to legal issues. When a marriage is terminated in
:: divorce, that is all it is. If this were not true then why wouldn't
:: people let their church handle the divorce process?
::
:: You really don't have to give this much thought to see that marriage
:: contracts and the legal issues involved with everything related to
:: marriage straddle precariously on the wall that the Founding Fathers
:: of the United States built to try to protect future generations from
:: the evils that the "Church" had inflicted upon them. A brief glance
:: at the early history of this country should make any rational person
:: think twice before they cede control to the government things that
:: are in the realm of individual conscience. We are talking morality
:: here brothers and sisters. Can I get an amen?

Amen! Same thing with the abortion issue. One priest said going to court
about it was the biggest mistake ever.

Hollywood®Boy

2008-11-16 22:33:16 UTC

Stell wrote:
: Son of Serpent Esq wrote:
: : : Hollywood®Boy wrote:
: : : : Marilyn wrote:
: : : : : "Hollywood®Boy" <"manny or borg"@spam.email.com> wrote in
: : : : : message news:c-***@earthlink.com...
: : : : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : : : d. all of the above
: : : : : :
: : : : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia.
: : : : : : with the resent elections and propositions, prop 2 -
: : : : : : cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the
: : : : : : fag? there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which
: : : : : : comes first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : : : :
: : : : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in
: : : : : : LaLand. last night, at
: : : : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca.
: : : : : : started burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news
: : : : : : coverage with all local channels being solid commercial
: : : : : : free reporterette live video, but exhausting. when the sun
: : : : : : came up today, more fires South of Los Angeles in Chino,
: : : : : : Ca. started
: : : : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started
: : : : : : in Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all
: : : : : : local stations for months
: : : : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and
: : : : : : police gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that
: : : : : : he has stretched man power because of a "gay protest of
: : : : : : eight to ten thousand going all around downtown
: : : : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel.
: : : : : : isn't that special timing them, though.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends
: : : : : : of mine.]
: : : : :
: : : : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news
: : : : : here. Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early
: : : : : 'cause that might be all that would help. I'd send you some
: : : : : of our rain if I could.
: : : : :
: : : : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : : : circles concerning it.
: : : :
: : : : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : : : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires.
: : : : winds are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the
: : : : smoke that had been going to the ocean for 24 hours is turned
: : : : around and stinking up things on the westside.
: : : :
: : : : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped
: : : : issuing the jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this
: : : : will go up the lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure.
: : : : insurgence can not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard
: : : : one black lady call into a morning radio show I listen to, and
: : : : she was pist at the fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling
: : : : showed that they supported yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this
: : : : lady on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it,
: : : : and don't dare blend in civil rights into it. she said not
: : : : only does gay plumbing not match, but black civil rights in in
: : : : no way your fantasy civil rights. I think she is the voice of
: : : : the ice berg tip.
: : :
: : : Actually, the fags have the law and the constitution on their
: : : side. This law is based on morality and religion. Civil rights is
: : : most definitely the issue here; this is about "civil unions"
: : : between people. We are talking about legal contracts, which is
: : : what marriage is when it comes to legal issues. When a marriage
: : : is terminated in divorce, that is all it is. If this were not
: : : true then why wouldn't people let their church handle the divorce
: : : process?
: : :
: : : You really don't have to give this much thought to see that
: : : marriage contracts and the legal issues involved with everything
: : : related to marriage straddle precariously on the wall that the
: : : Founding Fathers of the United States built to try to protect
: : : future generations from the evils that the "Church" had inflicted
: : : upon them. A brief glance at the early history of this country
: : : should make any rational person think twice before they cede
: : : control to the government things that are in the realm of
: : : individual conscience. We are talking morality here brothers and
: : : sisters. Can I get an amen?
:
: Amen! Same thing with the abortion issue. One priest said going to
: court about it was the biggest mistake ever.

fine

Hollywood®Boy

2008-11-16 22:32:26 UTC

Son of Serpent Esq wrote:
: Hollywood®Boy wrote:
: : Marilyn wrote:
: : : "Hollywood®Boy" <"manny or borg"@spam.email.com> wrote in message
: : : news:c-***@earthlink.com...
: : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : d. all of the above
: : : :
: : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : : : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : : : passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : : : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes
: : : : first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : :
: : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
: : : : last night, at
: : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : : : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : : : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : : : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : : : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : : : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : : : stations for months
: : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : :
: : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
: : : : gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
: : : : stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
: : : : thousand going all around downtown
: : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't
: : : : that special timing them, though.
: : : :
: : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
: : : : mine.]
: : :
: : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: : : Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: : : might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: : : could.
: : :
: : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : circles concerning it.
: :
: : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires. winds
: : are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
: : had been going to the ocean for 24 hours is turned around and
: : stinking up things on the westside.
: :
: : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
: : jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
: : lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
: : not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
: : into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
: : fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
: : yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the radio show, was
: : telling the fags to get over it, and don't dare blend in civil
: : rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not match, but
: : black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
: : she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
:
: Actually, the fags have the law and the constitution on their side.
: This law is based on morality and religion. Civil rights is most
: definitely the issue here; this is about "civil unions" between
: people. We are talking about legal contracts, which is what marriage
: is when it comes to legal issues. When a marriage is terminated in
: divorce, that is all it is. If this were not true then why wouldn't
: people let their church handle the divorce process?
:
: You really don't have to give this much thought to see that marriage
: contracts and the legal issues involved with everything related to
: marriage straddle precariously on the wall that the Founding Fathers
: of the United States built to try to protect future generations from
: the evils that the "Church" had inflicted upon them. A brief glance
: at the early history of this country should make any rational person
: think twice before they cede control to the government things that
: are in the realm of individual conscience. We are talking morality
: here brothers and sisters. Can I get an amen?

the fag bunch already have domestic partnership bullshit here in kalifornia.
this kalifornia law has all the legal rights and money tied into it just
like . . . a marriage contract. this bullshit the fags are trying to do is
bait and switch on the subject. they are not being denied any rights at
all. actually, I kind of go along with the religions on this one (sorta).
these pieces of street shit are holding out to punish the churches. I don't
know if that is necessary, but being stuck on marriage will not change
biblical texts. they aren't arrested any more for consensual sodomy, so
lube it up all you want there boys! just get over it.

Marilyn

2008-11-17 00:07:11 UTC

And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems to me that in
California like a lot of states now, gays do get equal treatment for
everything that really should matter to them. I know that California has
domestic partnership laws concerning stuff like health insurance, that
same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent on their partner's health
insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that they're bitching at the LDS Church
like their stance on what defines marriage is something new. It's not. It
hasn't changed and I have a framed copy of what's called "The Family: A
Proclamation to the World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS
Church's position on what constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going
to www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the page for
Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The proclamation was published in
1995. I'm hearing, though, from my friends that they know of people who are
going to leave the church because of the support from it for Prop. 8. Well,
that's just ridiculous. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. The Church didn't just come
out before the election and say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay
marriage.

And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be involved in this
issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL issue and churches are all
about MORAL issues. Also, now they're saying that the church should have
its tax-exempt status taken away because it's a violation to be involved in
politics. Ah, but that only applies when it comes to endorsing political
candidates or parties and does not apply to initiatives or propositions.
Plus, actual church money never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy
members may have made large donations themselves...but that's not any
different than any other person of any faith or no faith donating money to
whatever cause they believe in.

Hollywood®Boy

2008-11-17 05:01:43 UTC

Marilyn wrote:
: "Hollywood®Boy" <"manny or borg"@spam.email.com> wrote in message
: news:***@earthlink.com...
: : Marilyn wrote:
: : : "Hollywood®Boy" <"manny or borg"@spam.email.com> wrote in message
: : : news:c-***@earthlink.com...
: : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : d. all of the above
: : : :
: : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : : : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : : : passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : : : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes
: : : : first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : :
: : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
: : : : last night, at
: : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : : : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : : : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : : : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : : : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : : : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : : : stations for months
: : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : :
: : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
: : : : gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
: : : : stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
: : : : thousand going all around downtown
: : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't
: : : : that special timing them, though.
: : : :
: : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
: : : : mine.]
: : :
: : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: : : Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: : : might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: : : could.
: : :
: : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : circles concerning it.
: :
: : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires. winds
: : are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
: : had been going to the
: : ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the
: : westside.
: :
: : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
: : jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
: : lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
: : not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
: : into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
: : fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
: : yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
: : on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
: : dare blend
: : in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not
: : match, but
: : black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
: : she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
:
: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems to me
: that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get equal
: treatment for everything that really should matter to them. I know
: that California has domestic partnership laws concerning stuff like
: health insurance, that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent
: on their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that
: they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance on what defines
: marriage is something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I have a
: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to the
: World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS Church's
: position on what constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the page for
: Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The proclamation was
: published in 1995. I'm hearing, though, from my friends that they
: know of people who are going to leave the church because of the
: support from it for Prop. 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING
: HAS CHANGED. The Church didn't just come out before the election and
: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
:
: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be involved
: in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL issue and
: churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now they're saying that
: the church should have its tax-exempt status taken away because it's
: a violation to be involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies
: when it comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may have
: made large donations themselves...but that's not any different than
: any other person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
: cause they believe in.

somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please. what a bunch
of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't the butt boys
been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the parishioners have
been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage? nothing like a
bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make their case -
not.

Marilyn

2008-11-17 15:36:24 UTC

Post by HollywoodÂ®Boy
: : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : d. all of the above
: : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : : : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : : : passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : : : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes
: : : : first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
: : : : last night, at
: : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : : : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : : : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : : : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : : : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : : : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : : : stations for months
: : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
: : : : gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
: : : : stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
: : : : thousand going all around downtown
: : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't
: : : : that special timing them, though.
: : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
: : : : mine.]
: : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: : : Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: : : might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: : : could.
: : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : circles concerning it.
: : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires. winds
: : are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
: : had been going to the
: : ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the
: : westside.
: : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
: : jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
: : lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
: : not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
: : into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
: : fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
: : yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
: : on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
: : dare blend
: : in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not
: : match, but
: : black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
: : she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems to me
: that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get equal
: treatment for everything that really should matter to them. I know
: that California has domestic partnership laws concerning stuff like
: health insurance, that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent
: on their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that
: they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance on what defines
: marriage is something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I have a
: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to the
: World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS Church's
: position on what constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the page for
: Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The proclamation was
: published in 1995. I'm hearing, though, from my friends that they
: know of people who are going to leave the church because of the
: support from it for Prop. 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING
: HAS CHANGED. The Church didn't just come out before the election and
: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be involved
: in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL issue and
: churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now they're saying that
: the church should have its tax-exempt status taken away because it's
: a violation to be involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies
: when it comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may have
: made large donations themselves...but that's not any different than
: any other person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
: cause they believe in.
somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please. what a bunch
of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't the butt boys
been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the parishioners have
been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage? nothing like a
bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make their case -
not.

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be removed,
99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to church anymore
and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

You talk about the black vote. The Hispanic vote was pretty high, too. Are
they running around East LA protesting, too? Probably not.

Samothrace

2008-11-17 18:58:36 UTC

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have a
chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already were
God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before death if
that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about this but didn't
quite get how you can be half drowned when you're already 100% dead...

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-17 20:09:30 UTC

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Are you a Christian?

Samothrace

2008-11-19 01:20:32 UTC

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Are you a Christian?

I declare allegiance to no religion, cult or TV Preacher but believe there
must be a higher power that is enjoying the show

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-19 01:52:39 UTC

Post by Son of Serpent Esq
Are you a Christian?

I declare allegiance to no religion, cult or TV Preacher but believe there
must be a higher power that is enjoying the show

That's funny... I know someone who answered that same question
almost word for word like you did. For me the next logical question
is why you think there must be a higher power. Never got an answer
from the other guy so would appreciate it if you could give it a
shot. Is it because the universe seems to have an order that isn't
random? Are there things that happened to you personally that make
you think there is someone directing the show?

Marilyn

2008-11-17 21:03:04 UTC

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have a
chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already were
God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before death if
that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about this but
didn't quite get how you can be half drowned when you're already 100%
dead...

I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or whatever being
baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about vicarious baptism for the
dead? I think that I may do a poor job explaining things so I'd rather
direct you toward www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal questions. I
will say that there is scriptural basis in the New Testament for baptizing
the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being baptized before death if
you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms for the dead are done on
ancestors that died a long time ago, who never had a chance to hear the
Gospel in its restored form while they were on earth. You see, we believe
that baptism is an ordinance that must be performed in order to one day
return to Heavenly Father. But it has to be done by someone in authority,
who holds priesthood keys to do it. So while people can get baptized in any
old church by any minister, we don't believe those baptisms are valid
because there is no priesthood line of authority. Being an ordained
minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper baptism is required
to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be given the opportunity to
have it, whether in this life or the next.

The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by proxy, which
means that a living person stands in for the deceased when going into the
waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or spirits on the other side do have
the opportunity to accept or reject that baptism. It's not our part to
worry about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called free agency.
Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.

Samothrace

2008-11-18 02:29:30 UTC

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have
a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already
were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before
death if that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about this
but didn't quite get how you can be half drowned when you're already 100%
dead...

I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or whatever
being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about vicarious baptism
for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job explaining things so I'd
rather direct you toward www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal
questions. I will say that there is scriptural basis in the New Testament
for baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being baptized
before death if you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms for the
dead are done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never had a
chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on earth.
You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must be performed in
order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to be done by
someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So while people
can get baptized in any old church by any minister, we don't believe those
baptisms are valid because there is no priesthood line of authority.
Being an ordained minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper
baptism is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be
given the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the next.
The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by proxy,
which means that a living person stands in for the deceased when going
into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or spirits on the other
side do have the opportunity to accept or reject that baptism. It's not
our part to worry about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called
free agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.

That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have valid
authority ?

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-18 04:00:10 UTC

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in the
church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have
a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already
were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before
death if that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about this
but didn't quite get how you can be half drowned when you're already 100%
dead...

I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or whatever
being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about vicarious baptism
for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job explaining things so I'd
rather direct you toward www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal
questions. I will say that there is scriptural basis in the New Testament
for baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being baptized
before death if you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms for the
dead are done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never had a
chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on earth.
You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must be performed in
order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to be done by
someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So while people
can get baptized in any old church by any minister, we don't believe those
baptisms are valid because there is no priesthood line of authority.
Being an ordained minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper
baptism is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be
given the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the next.
The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by proxy,
which means that a living person stands in for the deceased when going
into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or spirits on the other
side do have the opportunity to accept or reject that baptism. It's not
our part to worry about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called
free agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.

That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have valid
authority ?

Are you Catholic?

Marilyn

2008-11-18 04:04:50 UTC

Post by HollywoodÂ®Boy
: : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : d. all of the above
: : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : : : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : : : passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : : : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes
: : : : first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
: : : : last night, at
: : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : : : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : : : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : : : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : : : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : : : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : : : stations for months
: : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
: : : : gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
: : : : stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
: : : : thousand going all around downtown
: : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't
: : : : that special timing them, though.
: : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
: : : : mine.]
: : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: : : Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: : : might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: : : could.
: : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : circles concerning it.
: : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires.
winds
: : are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
: : had been going to the
: : ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the
: : westside.
: : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
: : jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
: : lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
: : not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
: : into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
: : fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
: : yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
: : on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
: : dare blend
: : in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not
: : match, but
: : black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
: : she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems to me
: that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get equal
: treatment for everything that really should matter to them. I know
: that California has domestic partnership laws concerning stuff like
: health insurance, that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent
: on their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that
: they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance on what defines
: marriage is something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I have a
: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to the
: World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS Church's
: position on what constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the page for
: Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The proclamation was
: published in 1995. I'm hearing, though, from my friends that they
: know of people who are going to leave the church because of the
: support from it for Prop. 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING
: HAS CHANGED. The Church didn't just come out before the election and
: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be involved
: in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL issue and
: churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now they're saying that
: the church should have its tax-exempt status taken away because it's
: a violation to be involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies
: when it comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may have
: made large donations themselves...but that's not any different than
: any other person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
: cause they believe in.
somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please. what a bunch
of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't the butt boys
been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the parishioners have
been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage? nothing like a
bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make their case -
not.

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in
the church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have
a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already
were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before
death if that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about
this but didn't quite get how you can be half drowned when you're
already 100% dead...

I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or whatever
being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about vicarious baptism
for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job explaining things so I'd
rather direct you toward www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal
questions. I will say that there is scriptural basis in the New
Testament for baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being
baptized before death if you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms
for the dead are done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never
had a chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on
earth. You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must be
performed in order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to
be done by someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So
while people can get baptized in any old church by any minister, we don't
believe those baptisms are valid because there is no priesthood line of
authority. Being an ordained minister doesn't give you those keys.
Anyway, as proper baptism is required to enter into the kingdom of
heaven, all should be given the opportunity to have it, whether in this
life or the next.
The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by proxy,
which means that a living person stands in for the deceased when going
into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or spirits on the other
side do have the opportunity to accept or reject that baptism. It's not
our part to worry about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called
free agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.

That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have valid
authority ?

Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-18 05:16:41 UTC

Post by HollywoodÂ®Boy
: : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : d. all of the above
: : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : : : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : : : passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : : : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes
: : : : first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
: : : : last night, at
: : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : : : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : : : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : : : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : : : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : : : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : : : stations for months
: : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
: : : : gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
: : : : stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
: : : : thousand going all around downtown
: : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel. isn't
: : : : that special timing them, though.
: : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
: : : : mine.]
: : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: : : Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: : : might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain if I
: : : could.
: : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : circles concerning it.
: : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires.
winds
: : are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
: : had been going to the
: : ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the
: : westside.
: : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
: : jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
: : lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
: : not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
: : into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
: : fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
: : yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
: : on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
: : dare blend
: : in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not
: : match, but
: : black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
: : she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems to me
: that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get equal
: treatment for everything that really should matter to them. I know
: that California has domestic partnership laws concerning stuff like
: health insurance, that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent
: on their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that
: they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance on what defines
: marriage is something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I have a
: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to the
: World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS Church's
: position on what constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the page for
: Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The proclamation was
: published in 1995. I'm hearing, though, from my friends that they
: know of people who are going to leave the church because of the
: support from it for Prop. 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING
: HAS CHANGED. The Church didn't just come out before the election and
: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be involved
: in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL issue and
: churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now they're saying that
: the church should have its tax-exempt status taken away because it's
: a violation to be involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies
: when it comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may have
: made large donations themselves...but that's not any different than
: any other person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
: cause they believe in.
somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please. what a bunch
of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't the butt boys
been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the parishioners have
been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage? nothing like a
bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make their case -
not.

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in
the church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have
a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already
were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before
death if that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about
this but didn't quite get how you can be half drowned when you're
already 100% dead...

I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or whatever
being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about vicarious baptism
for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job explaining things so I'd
rather direct you toward www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal
questions. I will say that there is scriptural basis in the New
Testament for baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being
baptized before death if you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms
for the dead are done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never
had a chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on
earth. You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must be
performed in order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to
be done by someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So
while people can get baptized in any old church by any minister, we don't
believe those baptisms are valid because there is no priesthood line of
authority. Being an ordained minister doesn't give you those keys.
Anyway, as proper baptism is required to enter into the kingdom of
heaven, all should be given the opportunity to have it, whether in this
life or the next.
The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by proxy,
which means that a living person stands in for the deceased when going
into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or spirits on the other
side do have the opportunity to accept or reject that baptism. It's not
our part to worry about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called
free agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.

That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have valid
authority ?

Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Marilyn

2008-11-18 16:03:12 UTC

Post by HollywoodÂ®Boy
: : : : a. kalifornia is burning in hell
: : : : b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
: : : : c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
: : : : d. all of the above
: : : : there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia. with the
: : : : resent elections and propositions, prop 2 - cageless ranching
: : : : passing, and prop 8 -
: : : : marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
: : : : Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the fag?
: : : : there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which comes
: : : : first, a barbeque or the fags?
: : : : let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
: : : : last night, at
: : : : 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca. started
: : : : burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news coverage with
: : : : all local channels being solid commercial free reporterette live
: : : : video, but exhausting. when the sun came up today, more fires
: : : : South of Los Angeles in Chino, Ca. started
: : : : and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in
: : : : Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local
: : : : stations for months
: : : : saying, Firestorm 2008.
: : : : at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and police
: : : : gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that he has
: : : : stretched man power because of a "gay protest of eight to ten
: : : : thousand going all around downtown
: : : : L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel.
isn't
: : : : that special timing them, though.
: : : : [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
: : : : harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
: : : : mine.]
: : : Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news here.
: : : Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early 'cause that
: : : might be all that would help. I'd send you some of our rain
if
I
: : : could.
: : : About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
: : : protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
: : : circles concerning it.
: : well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the los
: : angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the fires.
winds
: : are swirling around (not windy here at all), and now the smoke that
: : had been going to the
: : ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on the
: : westside.
: : well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped issuing the
: : jack-in-the-box licenses after the election. this will go up the
: : lawyer food chain and the court chain, for sure. insurgence can
: : not help but be defeated - eventually. I heard one black lady call
: : into a morning radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the
: : fags. blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they supported
: : yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady
: : on the radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
: : dare blend
: : in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing not
: : match, but
: : black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I think
: : she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems to me
: that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get equal
: treatment for everything that really should matter to them. I know
: that California has domestic partnership laws concerning stuff like
: health insurance, that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent
: on their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that
: they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance on what defines
: marriage is something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I
have
a
: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to the
: World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS Church's
: position on what constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the page for
: Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The proclamation was
: published in 1995. I'm hearing, though, from my friends that they
: know of people who are going to leave the church because of the
: support from it for Prop. 8. Well, that's just ridiculous.
NOTHING
: HAS CHANGED. The Church didn't just come out before the election and
: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be involved
: in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL issue and
: churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now they're saying that
: the church should have its tax-exempt status taken away because it's
: a violation to be involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies
: when it comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may have
: made large donations themselves...but that's not any different than
: any other person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
: cause they believe in.
somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please. what
a
bunch
of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't the butt boys
been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the
parishioners
have
been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage? nothing
like
a
bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make their case -
not.

There are always people like that in the church who start whining that
they're leaving the church over some issue that they don't agree on.
However, these people, while they may technically have membership in
the church, meaning they haven't formally asked for their records to be
removed, 99% of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.

Hey Marilyn
Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so they have
a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I thought they already
were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a person be baptized before
death if that's what they wanted? I read somthing in the paper about
this but didn't quite get how you can be half drowned when you're
already 100% dead...

I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or whatever
being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about vicarious baptism
for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job explaining things so I'd
rather direct you toward www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal
questions. I will say that there is scriptural basis in the New
Testament for baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being
baptized before death if you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms
for the dead are done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never
had a chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on
earth. You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must be
performed in order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to
be done by someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it.
So
while people can get baptized in any old church by any minister, we don't
believe those baptisms are valid because there is no priesthood line of
authority. Being an ordained minister doesn't give you those keys.
Anyway, as proper baptism is required to enter into the kingdom of
heaven, all should be given the opportunity to have it, whether in this
life or the next.
The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by proxy,
which means that a living person stands in for the deceased when going
into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or spirits on the other
side do have the opportunity to accept or reject that baptism. It's not
our part to worry about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called
free agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.

That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have valid
authority ?

Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Because it no longer existed in its pure form. It was diluted and twisted
by men and had gotten far off the track.

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-18 18:16:02 UTC

Post by Marilyn
Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Because it no longer existed in its pure form. It was diluted and twisted
by men and had gotten far off the track.

That's what I thought you meant and that is something I'm very
interested in. Can you elaborate a little more on this or give me a
link with more info?

Marilyn

2008-11-18 21:26:52 UTC

Post by Marilyn
Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Because it no longer existed in its pure form. It was diluted and twisted
by men and had gotten far off the track.

That's what I thought you meant and that is something I'm very
interested in. Can you elaborate a little more on this or give me a
link with more info?

I thought I did. Did you try www.mormon.org? Go there and select the link
at the top that says BASIC BELIEFS.

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-19 01:37:26 UTC

Post by Marilyn
Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Because it no longer existed in its pure form. It was diluted and twisted
by men and had gotten far off the track.

That's what I thought you meant and that is something I'm very
interested in. Can you elaborate a little more on this or give me a
link with more info?

I thought I did. Did you try www.mormon.org? Go there and select the link
at the top that says BASIC BELIEFS.

I read the section called "The Restoration of the Gospel" and if I
followed what is says this is not about the actual text of what we
call the Old or New Testaments or the Gospels. I was thinking
translation issues being the reason it needed to be restored but I
guess that's not what this is about.

Marilyn

2008-11-19 04:46:50 UTC

Post by Marilyn
Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Because it no longer existed in its pure form. It was diluted and twisted
by men and had gotten far off the track.

That's what I thought you meant and that is something I'm very
interested in. Can you elaborate a little more on this or give me a
link with more info?

I thought I did. Did you try www.mormon.org? Go there and select the link
at the top that says BASIC BELIEFS.

Well, stuff did get lost in translation or misinterpreted.

Son of Serpent Esq

2008-11-19 21:50:35 UTC

Post by Marilyn
Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys were taken
off the earth for a long time and then restored when the Gospel was restored
through Joseph Smith.

OK now you got me curious; why did the Gospel need to be restored?

Because it no longer existed in its pure form. It was diluted and twisted
by men and had gotten far off the track.

That's what I thought you meant and that is something I'm very
interested in. Can you elaborate a little more on this or give me a
link with more info?

I thought I did. Did you try www.mormon.org? Go there and select the link
at the top that says BASIC BELIEFS.

Well, stuff did get lost in translation or misinterpreted.

The integrity of the text compared to the original Hebrew and the
modern translations has been questioned by many critics. The Qumran
manuscripts or what we call the Dead Sea Scrolls which date back to
before the Christian era gives us a pretty good idea of the accuracy
of the translations we now have compared to the original text. The
comparisons were incredibly accurate and almost word-for-word
identical to the present day Hebrew Bible. Isaiah and especially
Daniel because of all the prophecy were of interest since Daniel was
supposed to have been written during the Babylonian exile around
600 b.c. and some of the prophecies were very troubling to skeptics
who claimed the book was written much later. The Qumran manuscripts
sort of got the skeptics interested in other things. I'm basically in
the skeptic category when it comes to that stuff myself and I was
quite surprised at what was found in those caves.

Stell

2008-11-18 22:55:37 UTC

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::::::::::: a. kalifornia is burning in hell
::::::::::: b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
::::::::::: c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
::::::::::: d. all of the above
:::::::::::
::::::::::: there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia.
::::::::::: with the resent elections and propositions, prop 2 -
::::::::::: cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
::::::::::: marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
::::::::::: Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the
::::::::::: fag? there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which
::::::::::: comes first, a barbeque or the fags?
:::::::::::
::::::::::: let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
::::::::::: last night, at
::::::::::: 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca.
::::::::::: started burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news
::::::::::: coverage with all local channels being solid commercial
::::::::::: free reporterette live video, but exhausting. when the sun
::::::::::: came up today, more fires South of Los Angeles in Chino,
::::::::::: Ca. started and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and
::::::::::: fires started in Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key
::::::::::: graphics here on all local stations for months
::::::::::: saying, Firestorm 2008.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and
::::::::::: police gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that
::::::::::: he has stretched man power because of a "gay protest of
::::::::::: eight to ten thousand going all around downtown
::::::::::: L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel.
::::::::::: isn't that special timing them, though.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
::::::::::: harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
::::::::::: mine.]
::::::::::
:::::::::: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news
:::::::::: here. Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early
:::::::::: 'cause that might be all that would help. I'd send you some
:::::::::: of our rain if I could.
::::::::::
:::::::::: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
:::::::::: protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
:::::::::: circles concerning it.
:::::::::
::::::::: well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the
::::::::: los angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the
::::::::: fires. winds are swirling around (not windy here at all), and
::::::::: now the smoke that had been going to the
::::::::: ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on
::::::::: the westside.
:::::::::
::::::::: well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped
::::::::: issuing the jack-in-the-box licenses after the election.
::::::::: this will go up the lawyer food chain and the court chain,
::::::::: for sure. insurgence can not help but be defeated -
::::::::: eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning radio
::::::::: show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags. blacks and
::::::::: hispanic exit polling showed that they supported yes on 8, by
::::::::: 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the radio show, was telling
::::::::: the fags to get over it, and don't dare blend
::::::::: in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing
::::::::: not match, but
::::::::: black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I
::::::::: think she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
::::::::
:::::::: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems
:::::::: to me that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get
:::::::: equal treatment for everything that really should matter to
:::::::: them. I know that California has domestic partnership laws
:::::::: concerning stuff like health insurance, that same-sex couples
:::::::: can be counted as a dependent on their partner's health
:::::::: insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that they're bitching at
:::::::: the LDS Church like their stance on what defines marriage is
:::::::: something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I have a
:::::::: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to
:::::::: the World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS
:::::::: Church's position on what constitutes a marriage. You can
:::::::: read it by going to www.lds.org and following the link on the
:::::::: left side of the page for Strong Families. Same as it ever
:::::::: was. The proclamation was published in 1995. I'm hearing,
:::::::: though, from my friends that they know of people who are going
:::::::: to leave the church because of the support from it for Prop.
:::::::: 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. The
:::::::: Church didn't just come out before the election and say, oh,
:::::::: by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
::::::::
:::::::: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be
:::::::: involved in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL
:::::::: issue and churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now
:::::::: they're saying that the church should have its tax-exempt
:::::::: status taken away because it's a violation to be involved in
:::::::: politics. Ah, but that only applies when it comes to
:::::::: endorsing political candidates or parties and does not apply
:::::::: to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
:::::::: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may
:::::::: have made large donations themselves...but that's not any
:::::::: different than any other person of any faith or no faith
:::::::: donating money to whatever cause they believe in.
:::::::
::::::: somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please.
::::::: what a bunch
::::::: of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't
::::::: the butt boys
::::::: been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the
::::::: parishioners have
::::::: been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage?
::::::: nothing like a
::::::: bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make
::::::: their case -
::::::: not.
:::::::
:::::: There are always people like that in the church who start
:::::: whining that they're leaving the church over some issue that
:::::: they don't agree on. However, these people, while they may
:::::: technically have membership in the church, meaning they haven't
:::::: formally asked for their records to be removed, 99% of the time
:::::: they aren't active members. They don't go to church anymore and
:::::: they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.
::::::
::::: Hey Marilyn
::::: Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so
::::: they have a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I
::::: thought they already were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a
::::: person be baptized before death if that's what they wanted? I
::::: read somthing in the paper about this but didn't quite get how
::::: you can be half drowned when you're already 100% dead...
:::::
:::: I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or
:::: whatever being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about
:::: vicarious baptism for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job
:::: explaining things so I'd rather direct you toward www.mormon.org
:::: which answers basic doctrinal questions. I will say that there is
:::: scriptural basis in the New Testament for baptizing the dead.
:::: It's not necessarily a matter of being baptized before death if
:::: you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms for the dead are
:::: done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never had a
:::: chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on
:::: earth. You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must
:::: be performed in order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But
:::: it has to be done by someone in authority, who holds priesthood
:::: keys to do it. So while people can get baptized in any old church
:::: by any minister, we don't believe those baptisms are valid because
:::: there is no priesthood line of authority. Being an ordained
:::: minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper baptism is
:::: required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be given
:::: the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the next.
::::
:::: The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by
:::: proxy, which means that a living person stands in for the deceased
:::: when going into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or
:::: spirits on the other side do have the opportunity to accept or
:::: reject that baptism. It's not our part to worry about whether
:::: they do or do not accept it. It's called free agency. Our part is
:::: merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.
::::
::::
::: That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have
::: valid authority ?
::
::
:: Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys
:: were taken off the earth for a long time and then restored when the
:: Gospel was restored through Joseph Smith.

We (Roman Catholic) also have a glitch in valid priesthood...namely the
Protestants. When Martin Luther broke with the Church he was excomunicated
so he could not validly ordinate any new priests or bishops. So we believe
the priesthood was broken then and that is why we cannot be in or share
communion with them.

Marilyn

2008-11-18 23:46:55 UTC

Post by Stell
:::::::::: message news:c-
::::::::::: a. kalifornia is burning in hell
::::::::::: b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
::::::::::: c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
::::::::::: d. all of the above
::::::::::: there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia.
::::::::::: with the resent elections and propositions, prop 2 -
::::::::::: cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
::::::::::: marriage of man and women only passing, there was the first
::::::::::: Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the chicken or the
::::::::::: fag? there is another Kalifornia ponderable to add: which
::::::::::: comes first, a barbeque or the fags?
::::::::::: let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in LaLand.
::::::::::: last night, at
::::::::::: 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca.
::::::::::: started burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall news
::::::::::: coverage with all local channels being solid commercial
::::::::::: free reporterette live video, but exhausting. when the sun
::::::::::: came up today, more fires South of Los Angeles in Chino,
::::::::::: Ca. started and burned West through Yorba Linda, Ca., and
::::::::::: fires started in Palace Verdes, Ca. We will see key
::::::::::: graphics here on all local stations for months
::::::::::: saying, Firestorm 2008.
::::::::::: at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and
::::::::::: police gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned that
::::::::::: he has stretched man power because of a "gay protest of
::::::::::: eight to ten thousand going all around downtown
::::::::::: L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any channel.
::::::::::: isn't that special timing them, though.
::::::::::: [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
::::::::::: harmed in the editing of this post. they are all friends of
::::::::::: mine.]
:::::::::: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news
:::::::::: here. Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early
:::::::::: 'cause that might be all that would help. I'd send you some
:::::::::: of our rain if I could.
:::::::::: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
:::::::::: protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
:::::::::: circles concerning it.
::::::::: well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the
::::::::: los angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the
::::::::: fires. winds are swirling around (not windy here at all), and
::::::::: now the smoke that had been going to the
::::::::: ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things on
::::::::: the westside.
::::::::: well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped
::::::::: issuing the jack-in-the-box licenses after the election.
::::::::: this will go up the lawyer food chain and the court chain,
::::::::: for sure. insurgence can not help but be defeated -
::::::::: eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning radio
::::::::: show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags. blacks and
::::::::: hispanic exit polling showed that they supported yes on 8, by
::::::::: 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the radio show, was telling
::::::::: the fags to get over it, and don't dare blend
::::::::: in civil rights into it. she said not only does gay plumbing
::::::::: not match, but
::::::::: black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights. I
::::::::: think she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
:::::::: And she's right about it not being about civil rights. Seems
:::::::: to me that in California like a lot of states now, gays do get
:::::::: equal treatment for everything that really should matter to
:::::::: them. I know that California has domestic partnership laws
:::::::: concerning stuff like health insurance, that same-sex couples
:::::::: can be counted as a dependent on their partner's health
:::::::: insurance, etc. I think it's stupid that they're bitching at
:::::::: the LDS Church like their stance on what defines marriage is
:::::::: something new. It's not. It hasn't changed and I have a
:::::::: framed copy of what's called "The Family: A Proclamation to
:::::::: the World" on my mantel which specifically states the LDS
:::::::: Church's position on what constitutes a marriage. You can
:::::::: read it by going to www.lds.org and following the link on the
:::::::: left side of the page for Strong Families. Same as it ever
:::::::: was. The proclamation was published in 1995. I'm hearing,
:::::::: though, from my friends that they know of people who are going
:::::::: to leave the church because of the support from it for Prop.
:::::::: 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. The
:::::::: Church didn't just come out before the election and say, oh,
:::::::: by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
:::::::: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be
:::::::: involved in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a MORAL
:::::::: issue and churches are all about MORAL issues. Also, now
:::::::: they're saying that the church should have its tax-exempt
:::::::: status taken away because it's a violation to be involved in
:::::::: politics. Ah, but that only applies when it comes to
:::::::: endorsing political candidates or parties and does not apply
:::::::: to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual church money
:::::::: never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of wealthy members may
:::::::: have made large donations themselves...but that's not any
:::::::: different than any other person of any faith or no faith
:::::::: donating money to whatever cause they believe in.
::::::: somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please.
::::::: what a bunch
::::::: of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why haven't
::::::: the butt boys
::::::: been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the
::::::: parishioners have
::::::: been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage?
::::::: nothing like a
::::::: bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make
::::::: their case -
::::::: not.
:::::: There are always people like that in the church who start
:::::: whining that they're leaving the church over some issue that
:::::: they don't agree on. However, these people, while they may
:::::: technically have membership in the church, meaning they haven't
:::::: formally asked for their records to be removed, 99% of the time
:::::: they aren't active members. They don't go to church anymore and
:::::: they pretty much don't follow the "rules" anyway.
::::: Hey Marilyn
::::: Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so
::::: they have a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I
::::: thought they already were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a
::::: person be baptized before death if that's what they wanted? I
::::: read somthing in the paper about this but didn't quite get how
::::: you can be half drowned when you're already 100% dead...
:::: I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or
:::: whatever being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about
:::: vicarious baptism for the dead? I think that I may do a poor job
:::: explaining things so I'd rather direct you toward www.mormon.org
:::: which answers basic doctrinal questions. I will say that there is
:::: scriptural basis in the New Testament for baptizing the dead.
:::: It's not necessarily a matter of being baptized before death if
:::: you really wanted it. The majority of baptisms for the dead are
:::: done on ancestors that died a long time ago, who never had a
:::: chance to hear the Gospel in its restored form while they were on
:::: earth. You see, we believe that baptism is an ordinance that must
:::: be performed in order to one day return to Heavenly Father. But
:::: it has to be done by someone in authority, who holds priesthood
:::: keys to do it. So while people can get baptized in any old church
:::: by any minister, we don't believe those baptisms are valid because
:::: there is no priesthood line of authority. Being an ordained
:::: minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper baptism is
:::: required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be given
:::: the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the next.
:::: The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by
:::: proxy, which means that a living person stands in for the deceased
:::: when going into the waters of baptism. And yes, the souls or
:::: spirits on the other side do have the opportunity to accept or
:::: reject that baptism. It's not our part to worry about whether
:::: they do or do not accept it. It's called free agency. Our part is
:::: merely to make sure the ordinance gets performed.
::: That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have
::: valid authority ?
:: Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys
:: were taken off the earth for a long time and then restored when the
:: Gospel was restored through Joseph Smith.
We (Roman Catholic) also have a glitch in valid priesthood...namely the
Protestants. When Martin Luther broke with the Church he was excomunicated
so he could not validly ordinate any new priests or bishops. So we believe
the priesthood was broken then and that is why we cannot be in or share
communion with them.

See, and we think it goes back farther than that and wasn't restored until
the time when Joseph Smith received it.

This is what can be found at newsroom.lds.org:

Christian churches regard the question of authority - the divine right to
preach, act in the name of God and direct the Lord's church - in different
ways. Some, like the Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Coptic churches, emphasize
a continuous line of authority from the early apostles. Some who broke away
from those churches say they find authority in the inerrancy of the Bible.
Others rely heavily on a sense of "calling" to the ministry. Latter-day
Saints have a distinctive view of priesthood authority that helps define
them.
The New Testament describes the church established by Jesus Christ as one
with structure and form. The apostles were at its head, and as recipients
both of ordained authority and revelation, they were charged with guiding
the church and keeping its doctrines pure as it expanded throughout the
known world.
The fact that the original church of Jesus Christ would eventually fall into
a state of apostasy was foretold by ancient prophets and by the apostles in
Christ's day.
Although Latter-day Saints believe that divine authority was lost in the
ancient church after the death of the apostles and required a restoration by
divine intervention, they do not dismiss or diminish the validity of other
people's religious experiences:
Much of the true doctrine taught by Jesus Christ is found in churches today.
Members of other churches who accept Jesus Christ and try to live by the
principles he taught are entitled to divine guidance and inspiration in
their lives.
Faithful Christians who are not Latter-day Saints still go to heaven, and
those who live according to all the truth and light they have will open
themselves to further light in the hereafter.
Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Redeemer of the
world is a Christian, regardless of differences in theology.
The Bible is a revelation from God, of immense value for the powerful impact
it has to change the lives of men and women. It is not diminished by the
existence of additional scripture.
For Latter-day Saints, the restoration of priesthood authority in the first
half of the 19th century was a literal act through angelic visitations from
those who held the authority anciently. Divine authority was restored to The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints through a visitation of the
resurrected John the Baptist in 1829 near Harmony (now Oakland),
Pennsylvania, and sometime afterwards through the appearance of the
resurrected ancient apostles Peter, James and John.
Today, all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who
hold the priesthood trace their authority directly to these visitations and
bestowal of the priesthood of God on Joseph Smith and early leaders of the
Church. A person receiving the priesthood today customarily sits while a
person who already holds the priesthood stands and places his hands on the
recipient's head and formally confers that authority.
The "Apostolic Keys" of priesthood authority today - by which is meant the
right to direct the Church - are believed to be vested in the modern
apostles in the same way that the ancient apostles had the authority to
direct the early church.

Stell

2008-11-19 01:36:57 UTC

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:::::::::::::: a. kalifornia is burning in hell
:::::::::::::: b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
:::::::::::::: c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
:::::::::::::: d. all of the above
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia.
:::::::::::::: with the resent elections and propositions, prop 2 -
:::::::::::::: cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
:::::::::::::: marriage of man and women only passing, there was the
:::::::::::::: first Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the
:::::::::::::: chicken or the fag? there is another Kalifornia
:::::::::::::: ponderable to add: which comes first, a barbeque or the
:::::::::::::: fags?
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in
:::::::::::::: LaLand. last night, at
:::::::::::::: 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca.
:::::::::::::: started burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall
:::::::::::::: news coverage with all local channels being solid
:::::::::::::: commercial free reporterette live video, but exhausting.
:::::::::::::: when the sun came up today, more fires South of Los
:::::::::::::: Angeles in Chino, Ca. started and burned West through
:::::::::::::: Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in Palace Verdes,
:::::::::::::: Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local stations
:::::::::::::: for months saying, Firestorm 2008.
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and
:::::::::::::: police gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned
:::::::::::::: that he has stretched man power because of a "gay
:::::::::::::: protest of eight to ten thousand going all around
:::::::::::::: downtown L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any
:::::::::::::: channel. isn't that special timing them, though.
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
:::::::::::::: harmed in the editing of this post. they are all
:::::::::::::: friends of mine.]
:::::::::::::
::::::::::::: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news
::::::::::::: here. Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early
::::::::::::: 'cause that might be all that would help. I'd send you
::::::::::::: some of our rain if I could.
:::::::::::::
::::::::::::: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
::::::::::::: protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
::::::::::::: circles concerning it.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the
:::::::::::: los angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the
:::::::::::: fires. winds are swirling around (not windy here at all),
:::::::::::: and now the smoke that had been going to the
:::::::::::: ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things
:::::::::::: on the westside.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped
:::::::::::: issuing the jack-in-the-box licenses after the election.
:::::::::::: this will go up the lawyer food chain and the court chain,
:::::::::::: for sure. insurgence can not help but be defeated -
:::::::::::: eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning
:::::::::::: radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags.
:::::::::::: blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they
:::::::::::: supported yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the
:::::::::::: radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
:::::::::::: dare blend in civil rights into it. she said not only
:::::::::::: does gay plumbing not match, but
:::::::::::: black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights.
:::::::::::: I think she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: And she's right about it not being about civil rights.
::::::::::: Seems to me that in California like a lot of states now,
::::::::::: gays do get equal treatment for everything that really
::::::::::: should matter to them. I know that California has domestic
::::::::::: partnership laws concerning stuff like health insurance,
::::::::::: that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent on
::::::::::: their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid
::::::::::: that they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance
::::::::::: on what defines marriage is something new. It's not. It
::::::::::: hasn't changed and I have a framed copy of what's called
::::::::::: "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" on my mantel
::::::::::: which specifically states the LDS Church's position on what
::::::::::: constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
::::::::::: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the
::::::::::: page for Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The
::::::::::: proclamation was published in 1995. I'm hearing, though,
::::::::::: from my friends that they know of people who are going to
::::::::::: leave the church because of the support from it for Prop.
::::::::::: 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
::::::::::: The Church didn't just come out before the election and
::::::::::: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be
::::::::::: involved in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a
::::::::::: MORAL issue and churches are all about MORAL issues. Also,
::::::::::: now they're saying that the church should have its tax-
::::::::::: exempt status taken away because it's a violation to be
::::::::::: involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies when it
::::::::::: comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
::::::::::: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual
::::::::::: church money never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of
::::::::::: wealthy members may have made large donations
::::::::::: themselves...but that's not any different than any other
::::::::::: person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
::::::::::: cause they believe in.
::::::::::
:::::::::: somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please.
:::::::::: what a bunch
:::::::::: of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why
:::::::::: haven't the butt boys
:::::::::: been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the
:::::::::: parishioners have
:::::::::: been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage?
:::::::::: nothing like a
:::::::::: bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make
:::::::::: their case -
:::::::::: not.
::::::::::
::::::::: There are always people like that in the church who start
::::::::: whining that they're leaving the church over some issue that
::::::::: they don't agree on. However, these people, while they may
::::::::: technically have membership in the church, meaning they
::::::::: haven't formally asked for their records to be removed, 99%
::::::::: of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
::::::::: church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules"
::::::::: anyway.
:::::::::
:::::::: Hey Marilyn
:::::::: Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so
:::::::: they have a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I
:::::::: thought they already were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a
:::::::: person be baptized before death if that's what they wanted? I
:::::::: read somthing in the paper about this but didn't quite get how
:::::::: you can be half drowned when you're already 100% dead...
::::::::
::::::: I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or
::::::: whatever being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about
::::::: vicarious baptism for the dead? I think that I may do a poor
::::::: job explaining things so I'd rather direct you toward
::::::: www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal questions. I will
::::::: say that there is scriptural basis in the New Testament for
::::::: baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being
::::::: baptized before death if you really wanted it. The majority of
::::::: baptisms for the dead are done on ancestors that died a long
::::::: time ago, who never had a chance to hear the Gospel in its
::::::: restored form while they were on earth. You see, we believe
::::::: that baptism is an ordinance that must be performed in order to
::::::: one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to be done by
::::::: someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So
::::::: while people can get baptized in any old church by any
::::::: minister, we don't believe those baptisms are valid because
::::::: there is no priesthood line of authority. Being an ordained
::::::: minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper baptism
::::::: is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be
::::::: given the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the
::::::: next.
:::::::
::::::: The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by
::::::: proxy, which means that a living person stands in for the
::::::: deceased when going into the waters of baptism. And yes, the
::::::: souls or spirits on the other side do have the opportunity to
::::::: accept or reject that baptism. It's not our part to worry
::::::: about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called free
::::::: agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets
::::::: performed.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::: That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have
:::::: valid authority ?
:::::
:::::
::::: Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys
::::: were taken off the earth for a long time and then restored when
::::: the Gospel was restored through Joseph Smith.
:::
::: We (Roman Catholic) also have a glitch in valid priesthood...namely
::: the Protestants. When Martin Luther broke with the Church he was
::: excomunicated so he could not validly ordinate any new priests or
::: bishops. So we believe the priesthood was broken then and that is
::: why we cannot be in or share communion with them.
::
::
:: See, and we think it goes back farther than that and wasn't restored
:: until the time when Joseph Smith received it.
::
:: This is what can be found at newsroom.lds.org:
::
:: Christian churches regard the question of authority - the divine
:: right to preach, act in the name of God and direct the Lord's church
:: - in different ways. Some, like the Roman Catholic, Orthodox and
:: Coptic churches, emphasize a continuous line of authority from the
:: early apostles. Some who broke away from those churches say they
:: find authority in the inerrancy of the Bible. Others rely heavily on
:: a sense of "calling" to the ministry. Latter-day Saints have a
:: distinctive view of priesthood authority that helps define them.
:: The New Testament describes the church established by Jesus Christ
:: as one with structure and form. The apostles were at its head, and
:: as recipients both of ordained authority and revelation, they were
:: charged with guiding the church and keeping its doctrines pure as it
:: expanded throughout the known world.
:: The fact that the original church of Jesus Christ would eventually
:: fall into a state of apostasy was foretold by ancient prophets and
:: by the apostles in Christ's day.
:: Although Latter-day Saints believe that divine authority was lost in
:: the ancient church after the death of the apostles and required a
:: restoration by divine intervention, they do not dismiss or diminish
:: the validity of other people's religious experiences:
:: Much of the true doctrine taught by Jesus Christ is found in
:: churches today. Members of other churches who accept Jesus Christ
:: and try to live by the principles he taught are entitled to divine
:: guidance and inspiration in their lives.
:: Faithful Christians who are not Latter-day Saints still go to
:: heaven, and those who live according to all the truth and light they
:: have will open themselves to further light in the hereafter.
:: Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Redeemer
:: of the world is a Christian, regardless of differences in theology.
:: The Bible is a revelation from God, of immense value for the
:: powerful impact it has to change the lives of men and women. It is
:: not diminished by the existence of additional scripture.
:: For Latter-day Saints, the restoration of priesthood authority in
:: the first half of the 19th century was a literal act through angelic
:: visitations from those who held the authority anciently. Divine
:: authority was restored to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
:: Saints through a visitation of the resurrected John the Baptist in
:: 1829 near Harmony (now Oakland), Pennsylvania, and sometime
:: afterwards through the appearance of the resurrected ancient
:: apostles Peter, James and John. Today, all members of The Church of
:: Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who hold the priesthood trace
:: their authority directly to these visitations and bestowal of the
:: priesthood of God on Joseph Smith and early leaders of the Church. A
:: person receiving the priesthood today customarily sits while a
:: person who already holds the priesthood stands and places his hands
:: on the recipient's head and formally confers that authority. The
:: "Apostolic Keys" of priesthood authority today - by which is meant
:: the right to direct the Church - are believed to be vested in the
:: modern apostles in the same way that the ancient apostles had the
:: authority to direct the early church.

Okay I see their line of reasoning. There are some similarities with what we are taught (not about the validity of the priesthood but about who or who cannot be saved). Basically, it comes down to the point that on dying and coming face to face with God, He will make the final judgement. We do not know who or if anyone has gone to hell and that the only unforgivable sin is the sin against the s
Spirit. There's some theological arguements about exactly what that constitutes, but many believe it could mean that when finally coming face to face with God and His love, we still reject Him.

Ferd Berfle

2008-11-18 23:49:11 UTC

What? No communioning?

I guess defrocking is out of the question!

Stell

2008-11-19 01:37:43 UTC

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:::::::::::::: a. kalifornia is burning in hell
:::::::::::::: b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
:::::::::::::: c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
:::::::::::::: d. all of the above
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia.
:::::::::::::: with the resent elections and propositions, prop 2 -
:::::::::::::: cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
:::::::::::::: marriage of man and women only passing, there was the
:::::::::::::: first Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the
:::::::::::::: chicken or the fag? there is another Kalifornia
:::::::::::::: ponderable to add: which comes first, a barbeque or the
:::::::::::::: fags?
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in
:::::::::::::: LaLand. last night, at
:::::::::::::: 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca.
:::::::::::::: started burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall
:::::::::::::: news coverage with all local channels being solid
:::::::::::::: commercial free reporterette live video, but exhausting.
:::::::::::::: when the sun came up today, more fires South of Los
:::::::::::::: Angeles in Chino, Ca. started and burned West through
:::::::::::::: Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in Palace Verdes,
:::::::::::::: Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local stations
:::::::::::::: for months saying, Firestorm 2008.
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and
:::::::::::::: police gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned
:::::::::::::: that he has stretched man power because of a "gay
:::::::::::::: protest of eight to ten thousand going all around
:::::::::::::: downtown L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any
:::::::::::::: channel. isn't that special timing them, though.
::::::::::::::
:::::::::::::: [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
:::::::::::::: harmed in the editing of this post. they are all
:::::::::::::: friends of mine.]
:::::::::::::
::::::::::::: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news
::::::::::::: here. Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early
::::::::::::: 'cause that might be all that would help. I'd send you
::::::::::::: some of our rain if I could.
:::::::::::::
::::::::::::: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
::::::::::::: protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
::::::::::::: circles concerning it.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the
:::::::::::: los angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the
:::::::::::: fires. winds are swirling around (not windy here at all),
:::::::::::: and now the smoke that had been going to the
:::::::::::: ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things
:::::::::::: on the westside.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped
:::::::::::: issuing the jack-in-the-box licenses after the election.
:::::::::::: this will go up the lawyer food chain and the court chain,
:::::::::::: for sure. insurgence can not help but be defeated -
:::::::::::: eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning
:::::::::::: radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags.
:::::::::::: blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they
:::::::::::: supported yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the
:::::::::::: radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
:::::::::::: dare blend in civil rights into it. she said not only
:::::::::::: does gay plumbing not match, but
:::::::::::: black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights.
:::::::::::: I think she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: And she's right about it not being about civil rights.
::::::::::: Seems to me that in California like a lot of states now,
::::::::::: gays do get equal treatment for everything that really
::::::::::: should matter to them. I know that California has domestic
::::::::::: partnership laws concerning stuff like health insurance,
::::::::::: that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent on
::::::::::: their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid
::::::::::: that they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance
::::::::::: on what defines marriage is something new. It's not. It
::::::::::: hasn't changed and I have a framed copy of what's called
::::::::::: "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" on my mantel
::::::::::: which specifically states the LDS Church's position on what
::::::::::: constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
::::::::::: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the
::::::::::: page for Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The
::::::::::: proclamation was published in 1995. I'm hearing, though,
::::::::::: from my friends that they know of people who are going to
::::::::::: leave the church because of the support from it for Prop.
::::::::::: 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
::::::::::: The Church didn't just come out before the election and
::::::::::: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
:::::::::::
::::::::::: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be
::::::::::: involved in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a
::::::::::: MORAL issue and churches are all about MORAL issues. Also,
::::::::::: now they're saying that the church should have its tax-
::::::::::: exempt status taken away because it's a violation to be
::::::::::: involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies when it
::::::::::: comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
::::::::::: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual
::::::::::: church money never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of
::::::::::: wealthy members may have made large donations
::::::::::: themselves...but that's not any different than any other
::::::::::: person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
::::::::::: cause they believe in.
::::::::::
:::::::::: somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please.
:::::::::: what a bunch
:::::::::: of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why
:::::::::: haven't the butt boys
:::::::::: been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the
:::::::::: parishioners have
:::::::::: been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage?
:::::::::: nothing like a
:::::::::: bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make
:::::::::: their case -
:::::::::: not.
::::::::::
::::::::: There are always people like that in the church who start
::::::::: whining that they're leaving the church over some issue that
::::::::: they don't agree on. However, these people, while they may
::::::::: technically have membership in the church, meaning they
::::::::: haven't formally asked for their records to be removed, 99%
::::::::: of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
::::::::: church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules"
::::::::: anyway.
:::::::::
:::::::: Hey Marilyn
:::::::: Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so
:::::::: they have a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I
:::::::: thought they already were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a
:::::::: person be baptized before death if that's what they wanted? I
:::::::: read somthing in the paper about this but didn't quite get how
:::::::: you can be half drowned when you're already 100% dead...
::::::::
::::::: I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or
::::::: whatever being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about
::::::: vicarious baptism for the dead? I think that I may do a poor
::::::: job explaining things so I'd rather direct you toward
::::::: www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal questions. I will
::::::: say that there is scriptural basis in the New Testament for
::::::: baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being
::::::: baptized before death if you really wanted it. The majority of
::::::: baptisms for the dead are done on ancestors that died a long
::::::: time ago, who never had a chance to hear the Gospel in its
::::::: restored form while they were on earth. You see, we believe
::::::: that baptism is an ordinance that must be performed in order to
::::::: one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to be done by
::::::: someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So
::::::: while people can get baptized in any old church by any
::::::: minister, we don't believe those baptisms are valid because
::::::: there is no priesthood line of authority. Being an ordained
::::::: minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper baptism
::::::: is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be
::::::: given the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the
::::::: next.
:::::::
::::::: The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by
::::::: proxy, which means that a living person stands in for the
::::::: deceased when going into the waters of baptism. And yes, the
::::::: souls or spirits on the other side do have the opportunity to
::::::: accept or reject that baptism. It's not our part to worry
::::::: about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called free
::::::: agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets
::::::: performed.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::: That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have
:::::: valid authority ?
:::::
:::::
::::: Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys
::::: were taken off the earth for a long time and then restored when
::::: the Gospel was restored through Joseph Smith.
:::
::: We (Roman Catholic) also have a glitch in valid priesthood...namely
::: the Protestants. When Martin Luther broke with the Church he was
::: excomunicated so he could not validly ordinate any new priests or
::: bishops. So we believe the priesthood was broken then and that is
::: why we cannot be in or share communion with them.
:::
::
:: What? No communioning?
::
:: I guess defrocking is out of the question!

It's not even in the equation. <g>

Ferd Berfle

2008-11-19 11:48:20 UTC

Post by Stell
::::::::::: message
::::::::::::: message news:c-
:::::::::::::: a. kalifornia is burning in hell
:::::::::::::: b. even god doesn't like a fag hissy
:::::::::::::: c. kalifornia is getting more fucked up
:::::::::::::: d. all of the above
:::::::::::::: there is another ponderable to add here in Kalifornia.
:::::::::::::: with the resent elections and propositions, prop 2 -
:::::::::::::: cageless ranching passing, and prop 8 -
:::::::::::::: marriage of man and women only passing, there was the
:::::::::::::: first Kalifornia ponderable: what came first, the
:::::::::::::: chicken or the fag? there is another Kalifornia
:::::::::::::: ponderable to add: which comes first, a barbeque or the
:::::::::::::: fags?
:::::::::::::: let me essplain this days mishmash of issues here in
:::::::::::::: LaLand. last night, at
:::::::::::::: 10:30 PM, a northern Los Angeles community, Sylmar, Ca.
:::::::::::::: started burning. there has been 24 hour, wall to wall
:::::::::::::: news coverage with all local channels being solid
:::::::::::::: commercial free reporterette live video, but exhausting.
:::::::::::::: when the sun came up today, more fires South of Los
:::::::::::::: Angeles in Chino, Ca. started and burned West through
:::::::::::::: Yorba Linda, Ca., and fires started in Palace Verdes,
:::::::::::::: Ca. We will see key graphics here on all local stations
:::::::::::::: for months saying, Firestorm 2008.
:::::::::::::: at 3:00 PM Pacific, a news conference with all fire and
:::::::::::::: police gave an update. LAPD chief bratton, mentioned
:::::::::::::: that he has stretched man power because of a "gay
:::::::::::::: protest of eight to ten thousand going all around
:::::::::::::: downtown L.A." no reports of the fags anywhere on any
:::::::::::::: channel. isn't that special timing them, though.
:::::::::::::: [Note: no fag, lesbian, chicken, cow, or spiced meat were
:::::::::::::: harmed in the editing of this post. they are all
:::::::::::::: friends of mine.]
::::::::::::: Yeah, we be seeing those reports of the fires on the news
::::::::::::: here. Guess we can pray for the rainy season to come early
::::::::::::: 'cause that might be all that would help. I'd send you
::::::::::::: some of our rain if I could.
::::::::::::: About the Prop. 8 stuff...yeah, heard that, too. Stupid
::::::::::::: protesters. We have quite a bit of buzz here in the church
::::::::::::: circles concerning it.
:::::::::::: well tonight, I am finally smelling the smoke. I am in the
:::::::::::: los angeles basin with the hollywood hills in-between the
:::::::::::: fires. winds are swirling around (not windy here at all),
:::::::::::: and now the smoke that had been going to the
:::::::::::: ocean for 24 hours is turned around and stinking up things
:::::::::::: on the westside.
:::::::::::: well, los angeles county court clerk immediately stopped
:::::::::::: issuing the jack-in-the-box licenses after the election.
:::::::::::: this will go up the lawyer food chain and the court chain,
:::::::::::: for sure. insurgence can not help but be defeated -
:::::::::::: eventually. I heard one black lady call into a morning
:::::::::::: radio show I listen to, and she was pist at the fags.
:::::::::::: blacks and hispanic exit polling showed that they
:::::::::::: supported yes on 8, by 85 to 90 percent. this lady on the
:::::::::::: radio show, was telling the fags to get over it, and don't
:::::::::::: dare blend in civil rights into it. she said not only
:::::::::::: does gay plumbing not match, but
:::::::::::: black civil rights in in no way your fantasy civil rights.
:::::::::::: I think she is the voice of the ice berg tip.
::::::::::: And she's right about it not being about civil rights.
::::::::::: Seems to me that in California like a lot of states now,
::::::::::: gays do get equal treatment for everything that really
::::::::::: should matter to them. I know that California has domestic
::::::::::: partnership laws concerning stuff like health insurance,
::::::::::: that same-sex couples can be counted as a dependent on
::::::::::: their partner's health insurance, etc. I think it's stupid
::::::::::: that they're bitching at the LDS Church like their stance
::::::::::: on what defines marriage is something new. It's not. It
::::::::::: hasn't changed and I have a framed copy of what's called
::::::::::: "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" on my mantel
::::::::::: which specifically states the LDS Church's position on what
::::::::::: constitutes a marriage. You can read it by going to
::::::::::: www.lds.org and following the link on the left side of the
::::::::::: page for Strong Families. Same as it ever was. The
::::::::::: proclamation was published in 1995. I'm hearing, though,
::::::::::: from my friends that they know of people who are going to
::::::::::: leave the church because of the support from it for Prop.
::::::::::: 8. Well, that's just ridiculous. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
::::::::::: The Church didn't just come out before the election and
::::::::::: say, oh, by the way, we don't approve of gay marriage.
::::::::::: And this business of the gays saying churches shouldn't be
::::::::::: involved in this issue. Hmm...some of us consider it a
::::::::::: MORAL issue and churches are all about MORAL issues. Also,
::::::::::: now they're saying that the church should have its tax-
::::::::::: exempt status taken away because it's a violation to be
::::::::::: involved in politics. Ah, but that only applies when it
::::::::::: comes to endorsing political candidates or parties and does
::::::::::: not apply to initiatives or propositions. Plus, actual
::::::::::: church money never went to defeating Prop. 8. Lots of
::::::::::: wealthy members may have made large donations
::::::::::: themselves...but that's not any different than any other
::::::::::: person of any faith or no faith donating money to whatever
::::::::::: cause they believe in.
:::::::::: somebody is threatening to leave a church over this? please.
:::::::::: what a bunch
:::::::::: of bull, and you can tell them that from me. and, why
:::::::::: haven't the butt boys
:::::::::: been demonstrating in front of Black Churches, where the
:::::::::: parishioners have
:::::::::: been more responsible for their votes on prop 8 passage?
:::::::::: nothing like a
:::::::::: bunch of white fags in front of a black church trying to make
:::::::::: their case -
:::::::::: not.
::::::::: There are always people like that in the church who start
::::::::: whining that they're leaving the church over some issue that
::::::::: they don't agree on. However, these people, while they may
::::::::: technically have membership in the church, meaning they
::::::::: haven't formally asked for their records to be removed, 99%
::::::::: of the time they aren't active members. They don't go to
::::::::: church anymore and they pretty much don't follow the "rules"
::::::::: anyway.
:::::::: Hey Marilyn
:::::::: Do you know anything about the Mormon Church baptizing Jews so
:::::::: they have a chance to go to Heaven and deny Jesus again ? I
:::::::: thought they already were God's Chosen peoples...and wouldn't a
:::::::: person be baptized before death if that's what they wanted? I
:::::::: read somthing in the paper about this but didn't quite get how
:::::::: you can be half drowned when you're already 100% dead...
::::::: I don't know anything about any one specific ethnic group or
::::::: whatever being baptized, and I'm assuming you're talking about
::::::: vicarious baptism for the dead? I think that I may do a poor
::::::: job explaining things so I'd rather direct you toward
::::::: www.mormon.org which answers basic doctrinal questions. I will
::::::: say that there is scriptural basis in the New Testament for
::::::: baptizing the dead. It's not necessarily a matter of being
::::::: baptized before death if you really wanted it. The majority of
::::::: baptisms for the dead are done on ancestors that died a long
::::::: time ago, who never had a chance to hear the Gospel in its
::::::: restored form while they were on earth. You see, we believe
::::::: that baptism is an ordinance that must be performed in order to
::::::: one day return to Heavenly Father. But it has to be done by
::::::: someone in authority, who holds priesthood keys to do it. So
::::::: while people can get baptized in any old church by any
::::::: minister, we don't believe those baptisms are valid because
::::::: there is no priesthood line of authority. Being an ordained
::::::: minister doesn't give you those keys. Anyway, as proper baptism
::::::: is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven, all should be
::::::: given the opportunity to have it, whether in this life or the
::::::: next.
::::::: The dead person isn't the one who gets baptized. It's done by
::::::: proxy, which means that a living person stands in for the
::::::: deceased when going into the waters of baptism. And yes, the
::::::: souls or spirits on the other side do have the opportunity to
::::::: accept or reject that baptism. It's not our part to worry
::::::: about whether they do or do not accept it. It's called free
::::::: agency. Our part is merely to make sure the ordinance gets
::::::: performed.
:::::: That's interesting... Would the Pope of the Catholic Church have
:::::: valid authority ?
::::: Nope. Can't show the proper line of authority. Priesthood keys
::::: were taken off the earth for a long time and then restored when
::::: the Gospel was restored through Joseph Smith.
::: We (Roman Catholic) also have a glitch in valid priesthood...namely
::: the Protestants. When Martin Luther broke with the Church he was
::: excomunicated so he could not validly ordinate any new priests or
::: bishops. So we believe the priesthood was broken then and that is
::: why we cannot be in or share communion with them.
:: What? No communioning?
:: I guess defrocking is out of the question!
It's not even in the equation. <g>

Worse than the Baptits and dancing.

What's next? Ban snake handlers?

Ferd Berfle

2008-11-17 15:06:17 UTC

Day Without a Gay Dec 10 2008

-------- December 10, 2008 is Day Without A Gay! Gay marriage equality activists shift focus to service.

EUREKA, CA - Gays, lesbians, and straight allies plan to call in "gay" (not sick) to work and school on December 10, 2008 to protest passage of anti-gay constitutional amendments in Arizona, Florida, and California. Instead of showing up for work or school, protesters plan to volunteer for local gay and civil rights organizations across the country.

Every day since Election Day, thousands have protested up and down streets in cities across California, including Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and Sacramento. A national, grassroots coalition of LGBT activists have followed in their footsteps. The grassroots organization, Join the Impact, held its first nationwide day of protest on November 15th. In Humboldt County an estimated 700 people joined together at the Courthouse with the estimated 1,000,000 people across the country and world. Now gay citizens and their allies are teaming up to show America and the world how we can love.

On December 10, 2008 the gay community will take a historic stance against hatred by donating their time to a variety of different causes in order to raise public awareness of the need for LGBT equality in marriage and in other civil rights.

"Imagine life without your favorite teacher, your child's pediatrician, your daily bus driver, your employee, much of the U.S. forces, your best friend, your neighbor, your mother, father, sister, brother or your child. A Day Without a Gay will show how many LGBT and straight allies there are that are necessary for today's economy, societal support and the functioning of the world on a daily basis. We do not want to work for or be a part of an institution, a society or a world that discriminates against who we are." said A Day Without A Gay Co-Chair Julia Boyd, a Child Development major at Humboldt State University.

To search or post a volunteer opportunity, visit http://daywithoutagay.org/.

WHAT: "Day Without A Gay" Prop. 8 Protest

WHO: LGBT and straight citizens of Humboldt County and surrounding areas.

WHEN: Wednesday, December. 10, 2008

Hollywood®Boy

2008-11-17 20:15:47 UTC